Wednesday, October 14, 2009

Baptist church will burn Bibles on Halloween

Marc Grizzard (pictured at right), pastor of Amazing Grace Baptist Church in Canton, North Carolina and its fourteen members, has announced that his church will hold a book-burning this coming Halloween. Among the tomes to be incinerated are every version of the Bible other than the King James Version, various works of Billy Graham, Mother Teresa, and Rick Warren. Also set for consignment to fire are country music, oldies and jazz tunes.

Here's Grizzard's press release...

Halloween Book Burning
Burning Perversions of God’s Word
October 31, 2009

7:00 PM – Till

Great Preaching and Singing

Come to our Halloween book burning. We are burning Satan’s bibles like the NIV, RSV, NKJV, TLB, NASB, NEV, NRSV, ASV, NWT, Good News for Modern Man, The Evidence Bible, The Message Bible, The Green Bible, ect. These are perversions of God’s Word the King James Bible.

We will also be burning Satan’s music such as country , rap , rock , pop, heavy metal, western, soft and easy, southern gospel , contempory Christian , jazz, soul, oldies but goldies, etc.

We will also be burning Satan’s popular books written by heretics like Westcott & Hort , Bruce Metzger, Billy Graham , Rick Warren , Bill Hybels , John McArthur, James Dobson, Charles Swindoll , John Piper, Chuck Colson, Tony Evans, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swagart, Mark Driskol, Franklin Graham , Bill Bright, Tim Lahaye, Paula White, T.D. Jakes, Benny Hinn , Joyce Myers, Brian McLaren, Robert Schuller, Mother Teresa , The Pope , Rob Bell, Erwin McManus, Donald Miller, Shane Claiborne, Brennan Manning, William Young, etc.

We are not burning Bibles written in other languages that are based on the TR. We are not burning the Wycliffe, Tyndale, Geneva or other translations that are based on the TR.

We will be serving Bar-b-Que Chicken, fried chicken, and all the sides.

If you have any books or music to donate, please call us for pick-up. If you like you can drop them off at our church door anytime. Thanks.

Well, at least they'll also be serving fried chicken...

Seriously though folks, I thought there was something way familiar with Grizzard's litany of hate. So I went looking and sure enough: Marc Grizzard's church comes highly recommended by David Cloud. Anyone with even passing knowledge of "King James Only-ism" will be familiar with that name. David Cloud, through his Way of Life Literature website, has been a longtime worshiper of the King James Bible. Yeah, I said "worshiper" because these people have put their interpretation of the Bible in a place above that of Christ Himself. And King James-onlyists adore David Cloud: they have itching ears for whatever vile vitriol he cranks out against... well, everything that's not "Bible-believing Baptist".

Grizzard, Cloud and their kind have literally made an idol out of the King James Bible.

Ironically, as much as they claim to follow the King James Bible, they seem awfully ignorant of the words of the 1611 Authorized Edition's own translators in their preface to the book...

"Now to the latter we answer, that we do not deny, nay, we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English, set forth by men of our profession, (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the Word of God, nay, is the Word of God."
Grizzard should be rejoicing that the Bible is so available to everyone. As it is, Grizzard and people like him trust in their own feeble understanding more than they trust God to draw people unto Him.

And in the end, what Grizzard is doing will only repel people from Christ, unfortunately.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

That's sick.

AfterShock said...

I am absolutely appalled to know this is happening in my part of the state...that man and his group of "followers" sickens me...no books should be burned - not matter what is contained in them...Everyone is entitled to their opinion and each book contains opinions that others may want to hear, like-minded or not...

Anonymous said...

An independent Baptist church celebrating a pagan holiday by burning Bibles. What's wrong with this picture?

Walkinginlove said...

Anyone wishing to really understand scripture should read all the translations and then go to the greek and read about the key words of a passage.

The King James totally misses the enterchange between Jesus and Peter in John 21, Jesus uses Agape (Love of God that puts the other first) that is translated love in verses 15 and 16 when asking Peter if he loves Jesus.

In response uses the word Phileo (brotherly love signifying that he was broken from his bragging ways) that is also translated love.

In verse 17 Jesus asks a third time, do you love me, but this time he also uses Phileo and not Agape!!! This is the key to the verse that Jesus is no longer asking if Peter can love as God loves but only asking if he could love in brotherly love, this upset Peter because he had failed Jesus so badly already. When he says Jesus knows all things, he is saying that Jesus you know be better then I know myself!

In verse 18 Jesus is saying you will keep your word this time Peter and you will not fail me because you will die for me!

Now go read the text and without knowing that Agape and Phileo are the words for love it appears that Jesus is badgering Peter when he is not, he is testing Peter to see if Peter will humble himself and admit his limits only to have Jesus gives grace to the humble in this case telling him his future is to die for Jesus and thus keep his word, something he could not do as a proud man.

So go read the King James version and tell me it is accurate in it's translation of this passage?!?!?!

Anonymous said...

sorry for the typos

know be better is know me better

in response uses the word Phileo should be Peter in response.

Anonymous said...

I agree totally with Walkinglove.

Anonymous said...

How great is it that "Rev" Grizzard thinks so highly of the King James Bible.

I wonder if anyone has told him that King James I was...mmm...light in his loafers?

From Wikipedia, "Throughout his life James had love affairs with male courtiers, in particular Esmé Stewart, 6th Lord d'Aubigny (later 1st Duke of Lennox); Robert Carr, 1st Earl of Somerset; and George Villiers, 1st Duke of Buckingham. In his own time he was notorious for his male loves, and it was said of him that Elizabeth was King, now James is Queen (Rex fuit Elizabeth, nunc est regina Jacobus)."

Hail the Queen! King James I mean.

Anonymous said...

Aaaaah yes David Cloud. The Johnny Robertson of independent Baptists.

Roxy said...

It's general practice for me to avoid anything on this blog or elsewhere regarding "KJV-onlyism" because I am a Bible-believer and a King James only one, at that. I'm not looking for an argument on the issue because that's up to personal conviction, I think, and generally, sides are already taken and there's no changing minds.

However, this compelled me to speak because, unfortunately, it always seems that the King James-toting Christian is always labeled as a loon and it's men like Grizzard that give that perception. It's an unfair representation of a group of honest Bible-believers who don't hate because of their convictions.

I feel it should be noted that C.H. Spurgeon was said to bow to his Bible (a King James version) and while I don't do that, I don't fault him for believing it to be worthy of it. Psalm 138:2 says, "...thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name", and if one believes the Bible to not just contain the Word of God, but to BE the very Word of God, and Jesus Christ is "The Word" (John 1) and the King of kings isn't it all related? Like I said, I don't bow to mine, but by believing what it says and believing God is big enough to preserve it correctly, is how I show it the reverence it deserves. To tromp on the version because of a media-indulged screwball is in bad form and could be dangerous, especially if the attack is brought on ignorantly.

The problem enters in when the "Believer" gets so consumed with Version vs. Perversion that they neglect the Great Commission which is going forth and teaching all nations. Arguments breed more hate than conversion.

Oh. As for the above comment about King James being an alleged homosexual: regardless of whether or not he was gay has no bearing on the translation, the translators or the text and to bring that up is like the elementary-schoolyard "Your Mama"-game of manuscript evidence.

jessicaash@aol.com said...

Roxy says "Oh. As for the above comment about King James being an alleged homosexual: regardless of whether or not he was gay has no bearing on the translation, the translators or the text and to bring that up is like the elementary-schoolyard "Your Mama"-game of manuscript evidence."

Perhaps it isn't anything of the sort. Perhaps it's an example of the simple fact that ALL are God's children, even the non-straight ones, and He uses them as He sees fit.

Roxy said...

I never said God couldn't use a gay person, but read the comment in the attitude in which it was given and responded in kind. It was spiteful and condescending and said nothing about God using anyone. It was an attack, not a call to re-evaluate my opinion of homosexuality or Romans 1:26-27. If Sir Anonymous' comment was meant to be read differently, perhaps I should let Eugene Peterson give it to me in simpler language as I honestly misunderstood. My apologies.

And if all are God's children, then how do we reconcile John 8:44, "Ye are of your father the devil..."

jessicaash@aol.com said...

Actually, I think "Anonymous" comment was more along the lines of commenting on how some who are often rabidly ant-gay and use the KJV as the basis for their beliefs, seem to deliberately ignore the historical evidence of King James sexual orientation, and at the same time, show that God is as likely to use his gay (and lesbian, bi and transgendered) children) as his straight ones.

Anonymous said...

JessicaAsh: THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I am the one that posted about King James I being gay and how the Bible thumpers want to use that very book against all God's children -- with a book that was authorized by a gay man. Thank you for reading and understanding.

As for you, Roxy, I love how you Christians pick and choose just whatever verse you prefer, and the best excuse of all used by Bible beaters is how only the New Testament applies...and forget the Old Testament. You know, my Bible is all one book, both Testaments are in one book. So while you're spouting off verses to use in Romans, the ones that fit your agenda, lets go back to the Old Testament and use some those too in your everyday life. How about; selling your daughter into slavery (hot like a video), not having anything to do with a woman on her period (nuff said), get a few slaves from neighboring nations (need a Mexican?), eating shellfish being an abomination (so leave Libby Hill alone), and stop wearing garments from two threads (give up your charge account at Cato). C'mon Roxxy, when will you be putting your daughter up on the auction block? And the next time you're having a big ol' plate of shrimp at Libby Hill, remember Roxxy, you're comitting just a much of an abomination as King James I when he was on his knees...and not praying either. Or do abominations come in degrees? Buy one get one free? What a joke.

Anonymous said...

Having just read this blog on the burning of Bibles, it makes me sad. How is that people can get so lost in the legalities and translation of God's word that they completely miss the point of what is being said. The King James version was a translation of its time, but how can any one condemn a newer translation that is easier to read, follow and understand and therefore so much more accessible to people is beyond me. Wouldn't their time have been better spent praising God and teaching His love that is seen in every Bible no matter what the translation. Very distressing.

Wednesday, October 14, 2009

Baptist church will burn Bibles on Halloween

Marc Grizzard (pictured at right), pastor of Amazing Grace Baptist Church in Canton, North Carolina and its fourteen members, has announced that his church will hold a book-burning this coming Halloween. Among the tomes to be incinerated are every version of the Bible other than the King James Version, various works of Billy Graham, Mother Teresa, and Rick Warren. Also set for consignment to fire are country music, oldies and jazz tunes.

Here's Grizzard's press release...

Halloween Book Burning
Burning Perversions of God’s Word
October 31, 2009

7:00 PM – Till

Great Preaching and Singing

Come to our Halloween book burning. We are burning Satan’s bibles like the NIV, RSV, NKJV, TLB, NASB, NEV, NRSV, ASV, NWT, Good News for Modern Man, The Evidence Bible, The Message Bible, The Green Bible, ect. These are perversions of God’s Word the King James Bible.

We will also be burning Satan’s music such as country , rap , rock , pop, heavy metal, western, soft and easy, southern gospel , contempory Christian , jazz, soul, oldies but goldies, etc.

We will also be burning Satan’s popular books written by heretics like Westcott & Hort , Bruce Metzger, Billy Graham , Rick Warren , Bill Hybels , John McArthur, James Dobson, Charles Swindoll , John Piper, Chuck Colson, Tony Evans, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swagart, Mark Driskol, Franklin Graham , Bill Bright, Tim Lahaye, Paula White, T.D. Jakes, Benny Hinn , Joyce Myers, Brian McLaren, Robert Schuller, Mother Teresa , The Pope , Rob Bell, Erwin McManus, Donald Miller, Shane Claiborne, Brennan Manning, William Young, etc.

We are not burning Bibles written in other languages that are based on the TR. We are not burning the Wycliffe, Tyndale, Geneva or other translations that are based on the TR.

We will be serving Bar-b-Que Chicken, fried chicken, and all the sides.

If you have any books or music to donate, please call us for pick-up. If you like you can drop them off at our church door anytime. Thanks.

Well, at least they'll also be serving fried chicken...

Seriously though folks, I thought there was something way familiar with Grizzard's litany of hate. So I went looking and sure enough: Marc Grizzard's church comes highly recommended by David Cloud. Anyone with even passing knowledge of "King James Only-ism" will be familiar with that name. David Cloud, through his Way of Life Literature website, has been a longtime worshiper of the King James Bible. Yeah, I said "worshiper" because these people have put their interpretation of the Bible in a place above that of Christ Himself. And King James-onlyists adore David Cloud: they have itching ears for whatever vile vitriol he cranks out against... well, everything that's not "Bible-believing Baptist".

Grizzard, Cloud and their kind have literally made an idol out of the King James Bible.

Ironically, as much as they claim to follow the King James Bible, they seem awfully ignorant of the words of the 1611 Authorized Edition's own translators in their preface to the book...

"Now to the latter we answer, that we do not deny, nay, we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English, set forth by men of our profession, (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the Word of God, nay, is the Word of God."
Grizzard should be rejoicing that the Bible is so available to everyone. As it is, Grizzard and people like him trust in their own feeble understanding more than they trust God to draw people unto Him.

And in the end, what Grizzard is doing will only repel people from Christ, unfortunately.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

That's sick.

AfterShock said...

I am absolutely appalled to know this is happening in my part of the state...that man and his group of "followers" sickens me...no books should be burned - not matter what is contained in them...Everyone is entitled to their opinion and each book contains opinions that others may want to hear, like-minded or not...

Anonymous said...

An independent Baptist church celebrating a pagan holiday by burning Bibles. What's wrong with this picture?

Walkinginlove said...

Anyone wishing to really understand scripture should read all the translations and then go to the greek and read about the key words of a passage.

The King James totally misses the enterchange between Jesus and Peter in John 21, Jesus uses Agape (Love of God that puts the other first) that is translated love in verses 15 and 16 when asking Peter if he loves Jesus.

In response uses the word Phileo (brotherly love signifying that he was broken from his bragging ways) that is also translated love.

In verse 17 Jesus asks a third time, do you love me, but this time he also uses Phileo and not Agape!!! This is the key to the verse that Jesus is no longer asking if Peter can love as God loves but only asking if he could love in brotherly love, this upset Peter because he had failed Jesus so badly already. When he says Jesus knows all things, he is saying that Jesus you know be better then I know myself!

In verse 18 Jesus is saying you will keep your word this time Peter and you will not fail me because you will die for me!

Now go read the text and without knowing that Agape and Phileo are the words for love it appears that Jesus is badgering Peter when he is not, he is testing Peter to see if Peter will humble himself and admit his limits only to have Jesus gives grace to the humble in this case telling him his future is to die for Jesus and thus keep his word, something he could not do as a proud man.

So go read the King James version and tell me it is accurate in it's translation of this passage?!?!?!

Anonymous said...

sorry for the typos

know be better is know me better

in response uses the word Phileo should be Peter in response.

Anonymous said...

I agree totally with Walkinglove.

Anonymous said...

How great is it that "Rev" Grizzard thinks so highly of the King James Bible.

I wonder if anyone has told him that King James I was...mmm...light in his loafers?

From Wikipedia, "Throughout his life James had love affairs with male courtiers, in particular Esmé Stewart, 6th Lord d'Aubigny (later 1st Duke of Lennox); Robert Carr, 1st Earl of Somerset; and George Villiers, 1st Duke of Buckingham. In his own time he was notorious for his male loves, and it was said of him that Elizabeth was King, now James is Queen (Rex fuit Elizabeth, nunc est regina Jacobus)."

Hail the Queen! King James I mean.

Anonymous said...

Aaaaah yes David Cloud. The Johnny Robertson of independent Baptists.

Roxy said...

It's general practice for me to avoid anything on this blog or elsewhere regarding "KJV-onlyism" because I am a Bible-believer and a King James only one, at that. I'm not looking for an argument on the issue because that's up to personal conviction, I think, and generally, sides are already taken and there's no changing minds.

However, this compelled me to speak because, unfortunately, it always seems that the King James-toting Christian is always labeled as a loon and it's men like Grizzard that give that perception. It's an unfair representation of a group of honest Bible-believers who don't hate because of their convictions.

I feel it should be noted that C.H. Spurgeon was said to bow to his Bible (a King James version) and while I don't do that, I don't fault him for believing it to be worthy of it. Psalm 138:2 says, "...thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name", and if one believes the Bible to not just contain the Word of God, but to BE the very Word of God, and Jesus Christ is "The Word" (John 1) and the King of kings isn't it all related? Like I said, I don't bow to mine, but by believing what it says and believing God is big enough to preserve it correctly, is how I show it the reverence it deserves. To tromp on the version because of a media-indulged screwball is in bad form and could be dangerous, especially if the attack is brought on ignorantly.

The problem enters in when the "Believer" gets so consumed with Version vs. Perversion that they neglect the Great Commission which is going forth and teaching all nations. Arguments breed more hate than conversion.

Oh. As for the above comment about King James being an alleged homosexual: regardless of whether or not he was gay has no bearing on the translation, the translators or the text and to bring that up is like the elementary-schoolyard "Your Mama"-game of manuscript evidence.

jessicaash@aol.com said...

Roxy says "Oh. As for the above comment about King James being an alleged homosexual: regardless of whether or not he was gay has no bearing on the translation, the translators or the text and to bring that up is like the elementary-schoolyard "Your Mama"-game of manuscript evidence."

Perhaps it isn't anything of the sort. Perhaps it's an example of the simple fact that ALL are God's children, even the non-straight ones, and He uses them as He sees fit.

Roxy said...

I never said God couldn't use a gay person, but read the comment in the attitude in which it was given and responded in kind. It was spiteful and condescending and said nothing about God using anyone. It was an attack, not a call to re-evaluate my opinion of homosexuality or Romans 1:26-27. If Sir Anonymous' comment was meant to be read differently, perhaps I should let Eugene Peterson give it to me in simpler language as I honestly misunderstood. My apologies.

And if all are God's children, then how do we reconcile John 8:44, "Ye are of your father the devil..."

jessicaash@aol.com said...

Actually, I think "Anonymous" comment was more along the lines of commenting on how some who are often rabidly ant-gay and use the KJV as the basis for their beliefs, seem to deliberately ignore the historical evidence of King James sexual orientation, and at the same time, show that God is as likely to use his gay (and lesbian, bi and transgendered) children) as his straight ones.

Anonymous said...

JessicaAsh: THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I am the one that posted about King James I being gay and how the Bible thumpers want to use that very book against all God's children -- with a book that was authorized by a gay man. Thank you for reading and understanding.

As for you, Roxy, I love how you Christians pick and choose just whatever verse you prefer, and the best excuse of all used by Bible beaters is how only the New Testament applies...and forget the Old Testament. You know, my Bible is all one book, both Testaments are in one book. So while you're spouting off verses to use in Romans, the ones that fit your agenda, lets go back to the Old Testament and use some those too in your everyday life. How about; selling your daughter into slavery (hot like a video), not having anything to do with a woman on her period (nuff said), get a few slaves from neighboring nations (need a Mexican?), eating shellfish being an abomination (so leave Libby Hill alone), and stop wearing garments from two threads (give up your charge account at Cato). C'mon Roxxy, when will you be putting your daughter up on the auction block? And the next time you're having a big ol' plate of shrimp at Libby Hill, remember Roxxy, you're comitting just a much of an abomination as King James I when he was on his knees...and not praying either. Or do abominations come in degrees? Buy one get one free? What a joke.

Anonymous said...

Having just read this blog on the burning of Bibles, it makes me sad. How is that people can get so lost in the legalities and translation of God's word that they completely miss the point of what is being said. The King James version was a translation of its time, but how can any one condemn a newer translation that is easier to read, follow and understand and therefore so much more accessible to people is beyond me. Wouldn't their time have been better spent praising God and teaching His love that is seen in every Bible no matter what the translation. Very distressing.